Ken and Gerard were kind enough to give us their time twice. Twice? Well, we discovered after the first interview that the tape recorder had malfunctioned. After a bit of cursing, a lot of self-flagellation, and some begging and pleading, the guys agreed to do the interview again. To keep things a bit fresh, new questions were added and some of the original ones were left out. So, what did you miss from the first interview? We’ll fill you in.
They thought Ian was smart to bring the water coconut on the boat in Vietnam. The clue said that they couldn’t show the water coconut to their boat driver, so they thought they couldn’t bring it with them. Having it to show to the vendors would have been a big help. When the weather got so bad that everyone was closing up shop, they couldn’t see any reason to continue the task—it looked like they had no chance to find the right vendor.
They would do All-Stars in a second. Ken said he would jump at the chance. Gerard said he might even want to do it more than Ken does—he’s a competitive person and wants another shot! He said he’s worked out a deal with his wife, so she’ll let him go away on an adventure while she stays behind to care for their four small children—if he goes, she gets a sports car. At first, she had said that, if he won, she gets the car, but, being the wise and practical woman that she is, she re-negotiated a better deal.
They were sad they couldn’t come to TARcon this year—they were looking forward to meeting the new racers and saying hi to the fans. They love TARcon and always have fun there. When they went on the Race, they didn’t know about Internet commentary on the show until they came back. Ken stumbled across a board that had a thread devoted to him, saying he was the ugliest reality TV contestant ever and then listed proposal after proposal for how he should die. He didn’t read any sites for a while after that. Gerard later found TWoP and said it was OK to read—they were well-liked there.
So, now that you know a bit of what you missed in attempt #1 at the interview, let’s get started on attempt #2. . . .
So let’s start all over again, shall we?
Gerard: Sounds good.
So whose idea was it to apply for the Race?
Ken: It was my idea, actually. I had seen it so many times, and I was a huge fan of the show. And I said, I could possibly do this. This is like the only thing that I could possibly do. I can’t do Survivor. I can’t do anything else. But this might be all right. So then I thought, who do I ask in my family? I have so many brothers and sisters. And I was going to ask my brother Glenn, and then I remembered Gerard spoke Spanish. And so I said, hmm, that might—
Gerard: So that’s the only reason you invited me on the Race?
Ken: That’s the only reason I invited you on the Race—because of Español. It’s certainly not for his brawn.
Had you seen the show at all, Gerard?
Gerard: I had seen like maybe an episode or two. I hadn’t really watched it much. And so once Ken got me onto it, I was hooked forever.
Ken: Of course, we go to some of these parties, and we meet some of these people. And basically Gerard has no idea that this person was actually in Season 1 or in Season 2. But I still remember the Frat Brothers and the Chas and especially Emily. I loved Emily and her mom. I was just a big fan.
Gerard: Big fan, Ken. Big fan. You are big. Big fan.
So did Ken make you watch any of the shows as homework or something before you went on, or did you just go in fairly blind?
Gerard: No. Ken didn’t make me watch.
Ken: Did we go on eBay, Gerard?
Gerard: We tried to get some of the episodes. I think you got them, Ken. It was like really up to when we were leaving, and I didn’t get a chance to watch any. But CBS had us watch a couple of the episodes before we left.
Ken: Yeah. Gerard actually got to the callback for the final callback in California first. I was on vacation in Provincetown. And I flew there, and Gerard had gotten there a day earlier, and he was watching the tapes with all the other teams. You said you were with some teams, Gerard?
Gerard: Yeah. It was a lot of teams. Not everybody watched. A lot of people had seen the seasons before. But, of course, I was hooked watching them.
Ken: Were you able to talk to them, Gerard?
Gerard: Able to talk to . . .
Ken: . . . any of the teams?
Gerard: No, no, no. We weren’t allowed to talk to anyone at that point. That was still the early stage.
Ken: Gerard was missing me big time.
That must have felt so weird. You’re sitting around watching a TV show with a bunch of strangers, and you’re not allowed to talk to them?
Gerard: Yeah. It was a little bit bizarre. That whole process was very bizarre.
Ken: It’s like TARcon with a mouthpiece or something.
So what did you do to prepare for the Race? Did you guys do any studying up or fitness or anything?
Gerard: We actually did. I figure, on that first episode, I probably looked extremely overweight and out of shape.
Ken: You’ve seen it?
Gerard: And I’d been working like six to eight weeks before that. I actually got a personal trainer, because I’m not particularly athletic if you hadn’t noticed.
Ken: I couldn’t afford a trainer. I couldn’t afford a trainer, so I had to do it myself.
Gerard: I had to get a trainer. So I was meeting the trainer four days a week just kind of getting ready and running and doing this.
Ken: We knew that we wouldn’t lose weight. I mean, Gerard really is not that heavy. It’s really myself. But I just wanted to do a lot of cardio to get my heart going and be able to breathe, because I knew that we’d be in some locations where we just couldn’t breathe, or we’d be running to a Pit Stop. I wasn’t looking for a transformation. I would love one, but it’s not happening. But, you know, it didn’t happen, and meanwhile we just kind of get breath control, things like that.
Right. And if you’re carrying around a big backpack or anything like that.
Gerard: His front backpack.
Ken: My what?
Gerard: Front backpack.
Ken: That’s not even funny.
Gerard: Beth’s laughing.
[Laughs] Yeah, but I’m easy. Anyway, so Ken, I know you have been working as a casting agent.
Ken: A casting director.
A casting director. Okay.
Ken: A director is different because I’m paid by the producer, not by the actor or the talent. I’m a casting director. I’ve been doing it for, I don’t know, about 12, 13 years. The last seven years, I’ve actually been doing a lot of real people commercials and some documentaries for ABC. I worked for Maysles brothers—Maysles Films—they’ve done a lot of films, like “Grey Gardens” and “Gimme Shelter.” And I worked for Barbara Koppel on the Hamptons documentary in the summer, so I got to live in the Hamptons. So I’ve been doing that for a long time.
Do you think your experience as a casting director helped you in putting together your application and knowing what a casting director might be looking for?
Gerard: Can I answer that one? I think Ken being a casting director was very helpful. He actually, after we had talked about what we were going to do and what was going to be our angle, what was going to be the hook was just this whole opposites thing, and I think Kenny really thought of that even though it’s all true. It is true. I mean, he’s a Democrat. I’m Republican. He lives in the city. I live in suburbia. And there was just this whole opposite kind of thing. I’m married with kids. He’s single. He’s gay. And then even on the application that he sent to CBS, he marked it up with highlighter, all those opposite characteristics. And I think that certainly got us hooked in. I think the video was really good, too, that we submitted. It was fun.
Ken: It was a lot of fun, the video. Yeah, I just knew that they were looking for relationships. And it’s the same thing when we’re casting a documentary or a commercial, like real people. I know that they’re looking for a story arc and whatnot. So I just think that this helped in the package. And Gerard really sold the whole thing, though. I mean, on our first interview, I was a putz. But Gerard did a great job in California, and I was just sort of nervous.
Gerard: In New York.
Ken: In New York. I’m sorry. And then, in California, we seemed to kind of flip.
Gerard: I think Kenny was a lot funnier.
Ken: Well, Gerard mocked me out a lot. We sort of mocked each other out a lot. So we’re constantly doing that in real life. And people think it’s like sort of mean, but we like it.
Gerard: It is mean.
Ken: It is mean.
Well, I think people can tell when it’s mean-spirited and when it’s not.
Gerard: I think so.
Ken: I think usually it is mean-spirited.
[Laughs] Speaking of maybe something a little mean-spirited, in the opening credit sequence on the show, you had a little trip going on there.
Did production say, hey, go trip him to make it interesting, or—
Ken: No. No, no, no.
Gerard: Production was there for seven hours, all day long. And they’re taking these nice pictures of Ken and me in front of these bushes, in front of the flowers, walking around my property here by my house. And Anthony said, “Just run around that tree.”
Ken: Yeah. Anthony said, “Why don’t we just keep walking around this tree?” So we ended up doing it—it had to be at least eight times, Gerard, correct?
Gerard: Six to eight times.
Ken: Six to eight times. And we were just so tired. And the last time, I said, oh, whatever, and I just sort of said to myself, I’ll trip him. I just sort of did it. I didn’t—
Gerard: And it was real, believe me. It was real. It hurt.
Ken: First of all, Anthony looks at me, and he goes, “That is really mean. I want you to do it again, and please walk around the tree again, but don’t ever push him again.” So I’m like, oh, my God, I’m getting in trouble already.
Gerard: And they ended up using that one five-second clip.
Ken: Gerard only had like one shirt that fit him, and of course it got dirty. Not a happy camper.
Gerard: What are you saying, one shirt that fit? You’re implying that I gained weight or something.
No. It’s because you’d lost so much weight.
Gerard: There you go.
Ken: Oh, man. But of course, we’re watching it at the wrap party. In Seattle, we had our wrap party, and they showed us the opening credits. And, when we saw that, Gerard and I just busted out laughing, because I had only done it once, and they popped that in there as our opening credits. So we just giggled. And, of course, everyone laughed, but they had no idea of the story around it. So we told them after the credits what had actually transpired.
I think one of the reasons people like it, besides the fact that it shows a little bit of the personality and stuff, is that it did seem real. I mean, a lot of those intro things are so forced looking.
Ken: Like us making a steak. That’s our opening credit. That was a little forced.
Gerard: That was definitely forced.
So, Gerard, you got even a little bit, though, in Cambridge.
Gerard: Yes, I did. Yes, I did. It felt very good.
Did you get in trouble for that like Ken did?
Gerard: What happened there was that we were enjoying—yeah, we had a pretty good lead at that point, so we weren’t feeling the heat of the Race or anything. And, you know, it was nice. We were having a nice cruise down there. And I just—I kept slipping. I kept slipping on that thing. The wood was wet, and down I went a couple times. And Ken was just relaxing, enjoying it.
Ken: I wasn’t relaxing! Beth, I wasn’t—
Gerard: Yes, you were. You were relaxing. Roll the tape, Ken. Just watch it again. You can see him laying down there.
Ken: The power of editing, you have.
Gerard: And then I said, come on, get up here. You start doing some work. And he goes, fine. And he came up, and I was like, he’s in the drink. And I just gave him a little hip check, and in he went.
Ken: And everyone thought I jumped in. And I’m like, hey, I did not jump in. In fact, I was so pissed because I knew that we had like a 15-hour ride to—I knew that we were getting onto a bus.
Gerard: And actually, the camera crew was real mad because he said, “You just ruined—” he said, what, $3- or $4,000 worth of equipment that was on Ken? And I was like, “Hey, you know, we’re in the river. What do you want? He just fell in.” Ken was so mad, though.
Ken: We got out our clue, and it said—now, we’re sopping wet. We’re dripping onto the clue. And it said, take a bus to Scotland, a 15-hour drive. And this was one of those slow buses that took a million stops. They didn’t want us all—I don’t know. We had a big rest area.
Gerard: They wanted us to take a little time to get there.
Ken: So we were sopping wet. Of course, there were no laundromats open.
Gerard: I said, what’s the big deal? We’ll find a laundromat. And, of course, nothing was open. He was mad.
Ken: I remember at the rest area, we had little towels, these little towels that the Soccer Moms had given us when they were eliminated. They said, “Oh, take these little towels.” And so we were like giving ourselves a shower in the rest area there. So, not real pretty.
And something tells me that water probably just wasn’t the best water to be swimming around in, either.
Gerard: You know, a lot of people ask me that question: Was that water really gross? I don’t remember it.
Ken: It didn’t taste that well.
Gerard: I didn’t think it was that bad. It wasn’t clean, but it wasn’t dirty.
Ken: And I think also Gerard is also one of those guys who can sort of laugh at himself. And, when he had fallen in, I think he was sort of a little bit embarrassed. And he just thought, oh well, this is a race for a million dollars. But it really was a lot of fun for him.
Gerard: It was. It made me laugh.
Ken: It was fun.
Yeah. And you had a good crowd going there, too.
Gerard: We did have a good crowd. The crowd was just cheering us on.
Ken: Oh, Gerard, you’re making it sound like they were lining up on the river.
Gerard: They were lining up, Ken.
[Laughs] That’s why he did the encore.
Gerard: I took a bow and everything.
Ken: I’m sure Bert and Elise hired this beautiful crowd of extras just to come and clap for him.
Gerard: Ah, Ken.
[Laughs] So you guys used your Fast Forward on the very first leg.
Were you afraid that was going to come back and bite you in the tuchus later or—
Gerard: You know, our goal going into the Race, when we first got elected, was just not to be eliminated.
Gerard: Whatever. We got elected. The Republicans elected us to run the Race.
Ken: They weren’t Republicans, I don’t think.
Gerard: When we were chosen to run the Race, that was the goal, was just not to be eliminated. Because we knew it would just be very difficult and mortifying if we were eliminated on the first leg.
Ken: Particularly when we were going one step at a time. We knew that if it happened, it happened. But our first goal was not even to win this thing or to even go far, but was “do not be eliminated.”
Gerard: Do not get eliminated. So, when we were behind in that last pack, I guess three or four of us in the town in Mexico that first leg, it was Ken who said, “I think we should take the Fast Forward.” And I said, “Well, let’s think about it for a little bit.” And he was like, “No, we have to do it.” And it turned out to be a great decision. Everybody was criticizing us.
Ken: It was so hard to read boards after that.
Gerard: Yeah. They were like, “Oh, how dumb.” “How stupid.” “You shouldn’t have done it.” And the way we looked at it is, well, we had a—I think it was like a 33% shot at being eliminated. Why wouldn’t we? You know, those odds were just a little too scary.
Ken: And what had happened was in that last bunch, I think, was Tramel & Talicia, the Soccer Moms, us, and Derek & Drew. And we were also the only teams who slept outside of the first hotel. We didn’t get a room. Everyone else got a room. And I figure, well, these guys are all staying outside, also. And I just thought—and I do still think—they’re smart teams to save money so soon and not get the bed on the first night. So I said, “These are all smart people, and I think they’re all going to—” I was surprised they all didn’t go for the Fast Forward.
Ken: Because it was one of those things that nobody would have missed that final bus.
Right. It really seemed like it was a perfect situation, because, if you didn’t get it, well, then, so what? You were back to right where you were.
Gerard: And we had three more hours to wait ’till the bus.
Yeah. Sometimes I think having a Fast Forward—well, especially then when the decision to take the Fast Forward was more strategic than it is now—I think sometimes that actually kind of slowed teams down later on, because they’re always trying to think, should we do it now? Should we take it now? Should we take it later? And maybe just getting it out of the way first off isn’t necessarily a bad decision.
Gerard: That’s actually very true, Beth. That’s actually very true. Because we didn’t have to deal with that issue later in the Race. And it was good. You didn’t have to strategize that or think about it.
Ken: And the best thing is that it really—number one, we got a trip out of it. But number two was basically it just put you up in the front. Because we still had another two episodes—not that we knew—but another two more legs where we knew, always knew, that somebody was far behind us.
Gerard: Psychologically, it was a huge lift for us. So, needless to say, it put us in the front. But also just the emotional boost we got from it was well worth it because it really honed us in on our Racing skills to get better.
Ken: And also, as to that second part, when Derek & Drew took the Fast Forward in the second episode, it’s funny, because, right after that when we landed in Tulúm, Aaron came straight up to me and said, “You need to eliminate those twins. You need to get them out of there. They’re your worst threat.” So I immediately went to them and said, “Oh, this gentleman—because I couldn’t think of Aaron’s name—this gentleman says that you’re our biggest threat. So here, we’re going to go together. Let’s start a little bit of an alliance.” So it actually was at the Pit Stop where we started to plot, you know—
Gerard: The Twin Hunt.
Ken: —yeah, the whole Twin Hunt thing. Because they thought that the twins made money and they—the stupidest reasons on why they wanted them eliminated. It was just so odd to me. But I didn’t care. I didn’t care.
Yeah. It gave you a quick division where it was easy to see where the lines are drawn.
Ken: Exactly. And Derek and Drew were nice guys from the very beginning. They were quiet, but I heard all the stuff happening around them. I didn’t get why everyone was so upset with them. Gerard, did you understand why everyone was sort of—
Gerard: No. It was just—they’re certainly two males, and they’re obviously well-built and strong and have those kind of strengths.
Ken: It sounds like you’re doing a gay personal ad.
Gerard: [laughs] Well, they’re very attractive, those twin boys.
Ken: That was Gerard! Not Ken.
Gerard: Derek and Drew, they’re very attractive. But certainly they were a threat. And I think we felt that throughout. As much as we enjoyed working with them, we knew they were our biggest threat. I just didn’t see so early on what the point was of taking them on. It just seemed kind of silly.
Ken: It also made sense because we were very close. They moved up to the front of the line, and we were literally only minutes behind them—maybe like an hour. So I knew that we would still be in the front of the pack, because we knew there were teams that were way behind us, including Dennis & Andrew and Tramel & Talicia.
Right. Well, why from that very beginning, from going to that Fast Forward all the way down to their last episode on the show—?
Gerard: Who are we talking about?
Derek & Drew.
Your fates were really intertwined with them. You often ended up together or almost taking a task at the same time. Was it really hard on that last leg to have to get that tough and say “No, sorry, we don’t know where you’re supposed to go?”
Gerard: Yeah. At that point—
Ken: Are you talking about Vietnam?
Gerard: Yeah, talking about Vietnam—we were at that stage really looking to get them eliminated or just to obviously stay in the Race. That’s what it really was all about. So we were ready, I think, to let it go at that point. It had served them well, I think, and it had served us well just working together, and we really enjoyed their company. They were just a lot of fun. But we knew going into that leg, and we had talked about it, that we have to do what we have to do. I mean, we weren’t aligned with them, really, any more at that point.
Ken: But it’s not like we could do anything, either. We just thought that if there was a run, because all the other teams have had a run to the finish—especially in the season before us, there was a huge run to the finish line. And they would be our biggest competitors as far as running.
Gerard: So yeah, it wasn’t hard to, you know . . . for Ken to lie.
Ken: Don’t you dare say I lied.
Gerard: No. I think if you watch it, I think we both kind of fib a little bit: “Oh no, we haven’t seen—” They were like, “Where’s Flo?” She went off on the ferry, if you remember.
Ken: And the reality is, to back it up, once they did get there, they were looking out. And we had said—because we had been looking for that clue, it had to be, what, 45 minutes, Gerard?
Gerard: It was about 45 minutes.
Ken: At least 45 minutes. And we both had the same clue, that it was in front of this address. They gave us an address where the clue was in front of. But it was like a mile in the other direction. There were like two of the same address. It was such an odd—
Gerard: It was wacky.
Ken: It was really weird, like it was just so weird.
Gerard: And it was our fault. We missed the initial flagpoles coming in. It was right at the first flagpole. We made the mistake of following the flags, thinking we’d get the clue at the end, but really what it was was the clue box was there and then you followed the flags to the ferry.
Ken: We stayed as a team for like 40 minutes, and, all of a sudden, Gerard is like, “We have to leave you guys.” And they totally understood, too. They were just saying the same thing, because they knew damn well that if there’s a race to these bikes, we’re screwed.
Gerard: And then when we ran down to the ferry, that’s when we saw Flo.
Ken: We actually jumped on her boat.
Gerard: And she goes, “What are you doing? Go back you need the bikes!”
Ken: No, she did not. She said, “Get the fuck off our boat! You need a bike! Get the fuck off my boat!” She was totally helping us out, because, you know, we always helped the last place team. She had no idea whether Drew had gotten there. They were so far behind, literally 45 minutes since we left them from the Roadblock—
Gerard: Teri & Ian said that they thought we were ahead of them.
Gerard: Actually, yeah. Like they thought we were in already, because we left the other area ahead of them. So they assumed we were already in.
Ken: And then there was like this backlash and it was like, oh, she did in her lover and all this stuff. And it really wasn’t like that. She was just like helping the last place team, because she assumed we were last.
Gerard: Seeing the Twins was like we knew we had to not be straight about it or, you know, lie a little bit about it. Because, if we had said, “Oh, Flo told us it’s over here; come on, fellas,” we would have been in their dust.
Do you think you came close to running into them on the way back? I mean, it seems like you all were—
Gerard: We were so paranoid.
Ken: Oh, it was terrifying, actually. What had happened was we jumped on their boat and then Flo goes, “Get off my boat. You need a bike.” So we literally jumped off, and our cameraman had to jump off—the cameraman almost didn’t—like the boat was literally pulling away. I mean, it was pulling away. And, after the whole thing, when we got back, I go, “Did you get that on camera? Did you see how close that was?” And they said, “Yes, we did.” And I’m like, whoa. I couldn’t believe that they got it on camera, it was so quick. And then we kept seeing them when we were on the boat. We’re going, oh my God, please let this boat leave. They’re going to come.
Gerard: Yeah. They’re going to come. We just thought for sure. And, even riding the bike, we were so paranoid, looking around. But it turns out that they had jumped on the next boat, and they were on their way across already.
Ken: Which is exactly what we would have done. Because we saw Flo.
Yeah. It’s just one of those weird moments that’s almost like fate, it seems like.
I mean, if Zach & Flo hadn’t been on that boat, you know—
Gerard: Oh, who knows what would have happened?
Ken: Who knows? Exactly. I mean, we would have been one boat ahead of them, which is good. We would have been one boat ahead of them, because the boat was leaving. When we jumped on it, it literally was leaving. So we definitely would have been one boat ahead of them.
But you never know. If they’d gone down there and there wasn’t a boat there, they might have gone back and found—
Ken: You’re absolutely right.
Gerard: You never know what’s—
Ken: And I don’t even want to dream what it would have been like.
Gerard: That was our best episode. It felt so good, because that put us in the final three.
Ken: And that was the first time I’ve ever seen Gerard—I literally came back from doing my laundry, doing something, and I came back, and he was crashed in the bed with this huge smile on his face. I swear to God, he was sleeping with a smile on his face.
Gerard: It felt good. I mean, I felt like, oh, we can beat Flo & Zach, and we can beat Teri & Ian.
Ken: Little did we know.
Gerard: We got our asses kicked by both of them.
Well, I think everyone watching the episode, especially after about, oh, the first hour thought there was no way that the finish was going to be how it ended up. It was a real roller coaster.
Ken: Neither did we. Our family watching it, our family was convinced that we were out that night. Because we were watching it together. Convinced.
Gerard: The night in Vietnam, you’re talking about?
Not the final episode, but just before, yeah. So how difficult was it with your family? I mean, you survived that episode. You’re going to a party for the finale. Your family is there. And you know you’re not going to win.
Gerard: Right from the beginning, from the very first episode, we gave everyone the impression, you know, like, don’t blink. We’re going to be out very fast. And of course, no one was really surprised by that, especially in view of how we look. And then at each episode, there was just—
Ken: How you look.
Gerard: How you look, Ken. See how mean-spirited he can be? And so, every episode, that was the best part for us, just watching the excitement of our family and friends at each episode, like, “Oh my God, you’re still in it! I can’t believe it!” And so, going into the finale, that was when we really did try to scale back expectations even more and just say, “Just be ready for anything. Anything can happen at this stage.” So they were all crying and bawling, but they were all supportive.
Ken: I actually talked to my father like two hours before it, and I asked him, “Dad, do you want to know what happened?” And he was like, “Absolutely not.” I said, “Okay. I’ll tell you, because we’re going to be at a big party. There’s going to be lots of people there. And I don’t know how everyone is going to react.” We have eight brothers and sisters. And he said, “We are so proud of you right now,” he says, “this isn’t even icing on the cake. This is even more than that.” I’m like, “What’s better than icing?”
Ken: So anyway, it was just such a beautiful day. They just loved the way things went. They loved the way we sort of, I guess—we had our fights, Beth.
Gerard: But they liked the way we ran the Race.
Ken: And Gerard was always wrong during those fights.
Gerard: Of course.
At one point you have to say, “We’re going away,” for whatever reason. But once they found out that you were on the Race and that you were going to be doing this and their crazy brothers, their crazy sons, are going off and being on television, were they like, “Oh my God?”
Gerard: They were ecstatic.
Gerard: They were really incredulous. I mean, all of them had to sign releases, releases with CBS just saying they wouldn’t talk about it, so they did know we were going.
Ken: The thing that made us nervous, though, Gerard—I mean, correct me if I’m wrong here—is that we were just concerned about the security, not just the security of not having your wallet, just having your passport, no money. It was more about a terrorist attack, I guess. I was concerned, being here in New York and stuff. So I was just concerned about things. And once I got there, I was okay because I just was okay. But our parents, I think, were sort of—what is this show? They admit they don’t watch reality TV.
Gerard: They don’t watch TV.
Ken: They don’t watch TV. So it was just very disconcerting that they’re leaving for 30 days, or literally 40 days, and where are they going and are they safe? And, you know, we weren’t safe, but we had Bob, who was the best security guy that you could possibly imagine. He was head of security, and he was constantly looking, totally had his eye out. He worked for the Queen and all that stuff. So we were laughing. Every time we saw Bob, we’re like, all right. We’re safe for now. Then he would go cover Teri & Ian and I’m like, uh oh, we’re scr—done.
[Laughs] So they weren’t worried at all about you fighting on TV or embarrassing them or anything like that, you think?
Gerard: Well, I don’t know. Why don’t you ask them?
Ken: They’d love to talk to you, Beth. They’d think it was like Barbara Walters.
Gerard: Let me conference them in. I was actually very nervous about how we were going to be portrayed, to the point where I didn’t even tell a lot of my clients. I’m a financial advisor. I didn’t want to tell some of my clients that I was on TV in case they made me out to be a big jackass. Which I was, of course.
Ken: Because he hadn’t seen the shows. And I knew that Bert and Elise did not put in a sound byte now for something that happened like two episodes ago or something. So it’s in real-time. So, of course, if you say it, it’s usually in real-time. So I think Gerard was concerned about this editing—you know, you see some of these Bachelorette and all these stupid shows that are constantly edited differently. And it’s like, no, this is real-time. They don’t do that.
Yeah. I think you have to work harder at coming across to be bad on that show, if you’re not.
Gerard: Well, and apparently there’s enough contestants there who fit the role.
Ken: Like our two fights that we had literally lasted about ten seconds, and it was just quick, you know—
Gerard: And you turned the mikes off, Ken.
Ken: No, I didn’t. I just wrapped it around your throat.
Gerard: He turned it off.
[Laughs] Did you learn that trick early?
Ken: We had our fights, but they were quite different from Flo & Zach’s, or Teri & Ian’s, or—
Gerard: Do you have to name names? Why can’t everybody just get along?
Were you surprised at any of that when you saw it on TV? Because I know that you’re around all the teams, but you don’t obviously see everything. I mean—
Gerard: Flo was like a different person. I didn’t even recognize her on some of the shows, because, when we were at the Pit Stops, she was nice, gregarious, having fun, and we didn’t see a lot of that behavior, which I know she regrets now. But we didn’t see a lot of that.
Ken: Yeah. It’s not the Flo I saw by any means. You know, she was seriously stressed. It was a serious race. And she acted . . .
Gerard: Kenny really liked Flo. I really like Flo. We’re good friends now. So we wouldn’t bash her because she’s a good person.
Ken: But she was the very first one to ever say, “Oh my God.” Like she called me up, and she was like, “You’re not going to believe this, what’s coming up.” She says, “I just freaked. I freaked.” And I think she understood it and she—
Gerard: I think it was a growing experience for her, too. She learned a lot.
Ken: It was. But she still owes us dinner though, Gerard, doesn’t she?
Gerard: That’s true. She does owe us dinner.
Ken: We kept saying we would—whoever won the million dollars—if it’s one of us, we would—
Gerard: This is flying into Seattle.
Ken: We would go to Peter Luger’s. We would treat them to Peter Luger’s.
Gerard: Which is a famous New York steak house.
Ken: And you can’t even get a reservation for like five months. I’m hungry. I think two years is quite enough.
Gerard: It’s time to pay up. Pay up, Flo & Zach.
[Laughs] So, obviously, you have a lot of respect and are good friends with them. And it seems like, your season, there were a lot of friendships that seem to have come out of that.
Gerard: Yes. Yes, that’s true. Well, everybody—I mean, even all the bad guys that were portrayed, they’re good people. Teri & Ian I chat with on the phone once in a while. And Kenny’s friends with just about everybody. But they really are very nice people, too. And there was a bond. And, even though there were certainly times during the season where it got cutthroat and it got a little nasty, it got a little ugly, there was still a lot of camaraderie. During the Race, there was a lot of camaraderie. I mean, it was—
Ken: I think everyone realized that this is a game. This is a game. It’s a tough game, and we sort of like said, okay, we have our game face on now and we’re playing.
Gerard: We knew business is business and personal is personal. And I think people played that way. When we got to the Pit Stop, it wasn’t a game any more. There was always a little bit of a game, but not much. It mostly was relaxing and just enjoying each other’s company and then—
Ken: There were a few people still playing the game.
Gerard: But, in general, it was a lot more relaxed. When we got to the Pit Stop, it was more relaxed.
Ken: I guess. Then someone comes up and says, “You need to get rid of those two. They’re your biggest threat.” And I was like, “They’re our biggest threat? Oh. Okay. I didn’t realize it.”
Gerard: I was always trying to relax at the Pit Stops. But then Kenny would be like laying in bed eating a sandwich or something, saying, “Oh, why don’t you go down to the front desk and find out how to get a cab in the morning, find out where the airport is,” and giving all these orders.
Ken: Beth, do not believe that for a minute.
Gerard: You were giving me orders to do everything. “Did you call a cab yet?” “Well, what are you doing, Ken? What are you doing, Ken?”
Ken: Proof. Proof. Singapore, when the cab was for Ken. “Are you Mr. Ken?” That means I made the call, Gerard.
Gerard: One call you made, and it happens to end up on television.
Ken: Right. He’s a liar.
Gerard: Even on the first leg in Mexico, on the plane, and we’re both like almost half asleep on the plane. I mean, we’re excited, too, but then it got a little longer in flight, and we’re both getting a little sleepy. And then Ken goes, “All right. You’d better get up now. You speak Spanish.” He pulled out all these questions.
Ken: We were the only team that actually bought taxi tickets inside the terminal.
Gerard: You were right, Ken. Is that what you want to hear?
Ken: He talked to this one lady, and she goes, “Oh, you have to buy your tickets before you get out of the terminal.” So we were the only ones who got our tickets. So they all went, and they had to go back and get tickets and then come back again.
Gerard: And we still came in last in that leg.
[laughter all around]
Gerard: What are you going to do? Where’s Pablo?
Ken: Does anyone here remember our season?
Ken: There were so many great Racers from the last season and from the season before.
Gerard: I know. Does anyone remember our season?
Ken: We were shocked you even want to talk to us. Trust me, we love it, but we’re shocked.
No, no. I don’t think there’s been a season as good as season 3 since. I’m serious.
Ken: Wait. Say that again.
Gerard: Do go on, Beth.
I did not like season 4. I mean, it was still The Amazing Race so I have to say I like it, but I really didn’t care for it.
Season 5 was better but not a favorite, and then season 6 was about as bad as season 4.
Ken: But you liked season 3?
Ken: The Emmy award–winning season. We were psyched.
Gerard: The Emmy award.
Ken: Oh, it was just so exciting. It really was. It was fun. That was just icing on the cake, for Bert and Elise.
Well, it’s nice to see—like you say, it is one of the higher quality shows, especially compared to so much of the reality shows that are out there.
Ken: Maybe not Project Runway.
Stay tuned for part two of the interview.